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CITY OF LAUREL
CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2019
A Council Workshop was held in the Council Chambers and called to order by Council President
Eaton at 6:30 p.m. on November 19, 2019.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
_x_ Emelie Eaton
_x_ Heidi Sparks
_ Bruce McGee
_x_ Richard Herr
Scot Stokes
x Iry Wilke
x Richard Klose
x Bill Mountsier
OTHERS PRESENT:
Bethany Langve, Clerk/Treasurer
Brent Peters, Fire Chief
Jaime Swecker, Fireman
Public Input:
Brent Peters, 1995 Saddleback Dr., stated he thought this was going to be on the agenda tonight
to discuss about the issues about the Fire Department as per the last Council meeting. Obviously,
we are not; I would like to address the Council. What are we trying to fix? The last 22 years, I
have been a responder in Laurel. We have had a problem in the EMS, not a result of the EMT, as
they are a strong, dedicated people, but a problem with the staffing to cover all of our calls.
These volunteers have poured a lot of time and dedication into the community, and they get to
where $3.50 an hour doesn't cut it for them anymore. They move on and get careers, so they
move on. For the last ten years, they have been talking to City administration about full-time
EMTs to fix the problem. That's the only thing that's going to fix the problem in Laurel. He is
happy to say that he has been informed that the City is hiring five full-time EMT positions now.
But the next question is who is going to manage those people. He was given a letter on
November 8th stating the intent was to hire a full-time Fire Cheif to oversee this. Right now, the
Fire and EMS are two separate groups. Wouldnt the money be well spent hiring a full-time EMS
Ambulance Director than a frill -time fire chief. An ambulance Director that could run the day-to-
day operations and schedule them so that we would have max coverage of shifts, manage the
State and Federal requirements for the service, assist as an individual responder and build
relationships with the surrounding community and mutual aid agreements. I have provided the
name of one individual to the past and present administration; they could probably bring added
benefits to Laurel. They were a paramedic supervisor. They currently work in a critical care.
They were also the director of one of the larges EMT training facilities in Montana. She could
bring the possibility of 75 to 100 EMTs to Laurel to help us fix our problem. After being
presented that letter, I was trying to think what the mindset behind hiring a full-time fire chief.
The Fire Department this year is 110 years old, and we have never missed the call. In 110 years,
we have never failed to respond in Laurel. So what is it? We have progressed over the years. We
have had to reorganize and restructure as modern firefighter tactics come about. We have
restructured our own department within the last ten years to meet the needs of our community.
There is a lot of talk out there that the Fire Department is afraid of change in itself. We are not;
we are realists. We understand that if the law dictates that, we need to change our department.
We also know that in the society that we have that if we are not able to do our duties that we
need to change also. We are very open to changes, but we are not very open to changes when we
don't need to. Currently, we are a class three City. We won't know if we are a class 2 city until
the 2020 census. As a class three City, there is no requirement for a paid fire chief. If we become
a class two city, we are still very limited on what level of paid Fire Department we have to be. It
doesn't say in Montana Code Annotated that we need a paid fire chief, paid administration, pay
Fire Department, partial paid or a part-time paid or anything. The only reference is that it does
say that a second-class city can have a supplementary volunteer Fire Department to aid the paid
Fire Department. It doesn't say directly that we have to have a paid Fire Department. if that's the
case, per my phone call to the Department of Labor, I would constitute as a part-time Fire Chief.
I am a part-time City employee, according to the Department of Labor. because my stipend is
20% of what a paid fire chief would be. I pay all State and Federal Taxes. I receive a W-2 that I
am a City employee. Therefore that would make me a City employee. That would make the
requirement of a part-time Fire Cheif. The design of the Fire Department right now, we have 13
stipend positions. Those 13 stipended positions for a lot of work over there. One of the positions
is the Maintenance Captian. who saves the City thousands of dollars a year working on
maintaining the equipment we have over there, so we don't have to contract it out to someone
else. We have a communications officer over there that saves the City thousands of dollars by
taking care of the communication problems, including programming our radios and pagers so
that we have clear communications on fire grounds. We have a frill Fire Marshall Office over
there that investigates every fire for cause and origin; not all -volunteer Fire Departments have
this and assists the PD in criminal investigations as well as the Yellowstone County Sheriffs
Department. We have an award-winning fire prevention program that interacts with school -aged
children multi times a year, teaching them about fire safety and fire awareness and fire
prevention as well as summer safety, bike safety, and as a result from that, we have very few
calls from school -aged children starting fires. The list goes on. out of those 13 stipends, it is not
anywhere close to what they would pay for a full-time chief. that frill -time chief would need to
take on those roles as well as any other roles in reference to the Ambulance. So it makes sense to
keep the structure of the Fire Department the way it is. Look at hiring a full-time EMS Director
to manage the EMS Department. Last thing I want to address is teamwork. The City of Laurel
needs to work as a team to determine what is best for Laurel. Individualists are only one-
dimensional. Research codes, laws, options, opinions, case studies to have a clear understanding
of what the right decisions are for Laurel. We need to work with other communities and other
resources to find out what has worked and not worked. So we don't make the same mistakes. We
have a smart, dedicated people right here in Laurel sitting right amongst us making the decisions
for Laurel. We do not have to model ourselves after another City. Communicate, we need to talk
to each other; we need to communicate the thoughts and ideas regardless if we agree or not.
Thank you.
Shawna Hopper, 504 Roundhouse Drive, I am the wife of a firefighter, and yes, I am the person
who posted on the community watch Facebook page last weekend. I posted to make the residents
of Laurel aware of the changes the Mayor and the City plan on imposing. I am 100...a 1000% for
the safety of our community. The point of the post was just to inform and communicate, which I
feel is lacking. I am here to ask a couple of questions. What is the real problem here in Laurel? Is
it the EMT and Ambulance, or is it the Fire Department? What is the plan for the Emergency
Services Department here?
Both short-term and long-term. I feel this has to be planned out and execute with the City
Residents, the Mayor, the Council, both EMS departments to ensure the safety of our residents.
From reading the new statements from the Mayor and the Ambulance Director the past few
months, the Mayor's documents, the City budget, and the Mayor's emails to its residents, it does
not appear there is an effective, properly planned out proposal. It seems to change daily. I know
that the Mayor has stated he has talked to area Fire Chiefs that have transitioned to a paid Fire
Department but has he spoke to the actual firefighters fighting fires in those departments? There
are hardships that they struggle with daily with getting backing from their volunteers. Their
systems struggle also. Why change Laurel's? It has been successful for 110 years. I am also
curious why the City would pay one individual more than every single firefighter, their
combined wages and stipends when they are not the problem. So my request to all of you is,
please fix the problem at hand. Be honest and transparent on a short and long-term plan. Respond
and communicate to all emails, to all concerns that all citizens have. Again the safety of this
community is most important. Let's fix the problem for those that support us. Thank you.
Jamie Swecker, 3 Penstemon Ln, sorely disappointed tonight. Ms. Sparks requested the Mayor
address this at the Workshop this evening. Last week, he agreed to that. He's not here. We have
personal lives; I know he does as well. We are human. But he made a commitment to be the
Mayor of this City. Those personal obligations sometimes have to be put aside to run this
government to the benefit of the citizens. He's showing he doesn't care. To me and the rest of the
people in this room, he doesn't care, but he does the citizens of this City. To me, it's disrespectful
of you. You requested him, all of you. This is your Workshop; we are just citizens but remember
you all work for the taxpayers. He works for the taxpayers. He gets a check from the taxpayers. I
don't care if he is hunting. He said he would be here. I hope you hold him accountable for not
being here. Thank you.
1. Ordinance - An Ordinance Amending Title 12 Chapter 12.28.060 Of The Laurel
Municipal Code For The Purpose Of Changing The Parks And Playground
Equipment Closed Hours, Correctly Reference The Proper Section Of LMC For
Violations, And Add An Event Exemption.
Park Board spoke in length about the best hours of the parks. The recommendation for the park
hours to be 6:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. except for fireworks during the 4"' of July or other event's
involving the entire community. The goal was to address the vandalism. Currently, there are
cameras located at the big park; cameras can be placed at South Pond as well. The second goal
was to give the ordinance some teeth so the Police can do their job. People are still able to cross
the park, just not loiter.
It was questioned what the punishment is. Park Board member, Evan Bruce, clarified that the
original ordinance pointed to the wrong section. This ordinance will need to be adjusted when
Riverside Park is completed.
It was clarified this ordinance would have a first and second reading.
General Items
Executive Review
Council Issues
Council President Eaton made the following statement. It is provided in the City Charter as well
as Chapter 2.04.020, both paragraphs a and b in LMC, that the Mayor and only the Mayor has
the executive power to hire personnel, remove personnel, create new positions, change existing
positions. We are the legislators; we have the power to approve appointments, approve the
budget that allows personnel to be paid. According to the Mayor's request, we do not have the
legislative power to change the Mayor's mind on a personnel issue. This issue has been planned
for a long time, and it is underway at this moment. Further, we were also informed of pending
changes to the fire personnel when the printed budget was presented to us and approved on
September 3rd of this year. Page 4 of the introduction of the budget from the Mayor states, "The
general fiend appropriations are budgeted at $4,690,704 with revenues coming in at $3,920,872.
This represents the use of $769,832 of the reserves. Most of these appropriations are due to the
hiring of emergency services staff. 1, meaning the Mayor, have made it a number one priority to
find a solution to the significant problem our City is facing regarding Ambulance Responses.
Our volunteer staff needs support, and I am going to provide them that by hiring a full-time
EMS/Fire Cheif and three full-time EMT Firefighters. I challenged my Clerk/Treasurer to budget
this staff, and she did. Our Emergency Services Committee is working on a mill levy to put out
to our citizens to help pay for the needed equipment. The Clerk/Treasurer and Ambulance
Director are going to apply for a SAFER Grant to help fiend a portion of the wages for these
three years. This is a huge endeavor, and I want to thank the volunteer Fire Department for
being the first to suggest this type of structure to me. Therefore when we passed the budget, we
approved the Mayor's request to put into action these personnel changes. Additionally, I double-
checked with the chair of the Emergency Services Committee this past Sunday, and he assured
me that the mill levy is intended to fund only the ambulance department. And lastly, the City
Budget is not running in deficit. We used $769,832 out of our reserves for this project. I make
this statement because I do not want any Council Member to embarrass themselves by assuming
legislatively alter or amend a personnel issue. Personnel issues are the domain of the Mayor
alone. We pass the laws to allow for budgetary changes and approve or not the candidates that
are chosen to staff the positions that are created. But we do not involve ourselves in personnel
issues themselves.
Heidi - the Mayor contacted after last week's meeting and stated he would not be here and that
item was pulled from the agenda. That item was moved to the 3rd of December. Will have to
confirm next week.
Council Member Sparks made the following statement. I appreciate everything our firefighters
do for our community. I admire and respect the loyalty and passion of our volunteer Fire
Department. With that being said, I want to briefly address the social media situation of recent
weeks. The manner in which concerns and frustrations are being expressed within social media
groups and pages is both unprofessional and inappropriate. I personally have seen individuals
associated with our Fire Department name-calling, cussing, and going so far as attacking those
who do not share their views and opinions. This is counterproductive and is degrading to
themselves, the volunteers, the Fire Department, and their argument overall. I absolutely
understand that change is hard. I also understand that there are valid concerns and legitimate
frustrations and questions. But at the same time, our firefighters are leaders within this
community, and with that comes an expectation of professionalism. Again I thank our many
volunteers for their dedication to our safety, and I truly appreciate everything they do for our
community.
Council Members Wilke and Klose echoed the statement made by Council Member Sparks.
Public Works Committee met last night at the December.) Workshop; please bring your
Pavement Management Plan. This plan will be beneficial in the discussion about the plan for
next year's Pavement Maintenance.
Other Items
Review of Draft Council Agendas
2. Review Draft Council Agenda of November 26, 2019.
Attendance at Upcoming Council Meeting
Announcements
3. Employee Volunteer Recognition:
Council President Eaton read recognized the following people for their years of service.
Geralyn Stevens
29 Years
Library
Susan Canape
24 Years
Police
Travis Pitts
23 Years
Police
Monica Salo
18 Years
Court
Jessica McCartney
12 Years
Police
Dylan Ceaser
6 Years
Water Plant
Keith Burns
6 Years
Fire Department
Michael Jenkins
6 Years
Fire Department
Thomas Sarkela
6 Years
Fire Department
Jamie Swecker
6 Years
Fire Department
Emergency Services Committee's next meeting is Monday, November 25, 2019, at 6:00 p.m. in
Council Chambers.
The council workshop adjourned at 6:57 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Brittney Moorman
Administrative Assistant
NOTE: This meeting is open to the public. This meeting is for information and discussion of the Council for
the listed workshop agenda items.