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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPublic Works Committee Minutes 01.07.2002MEMBERS PRESENT: MINUTES PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE JANUARY 7, 2002 5:00 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBERS Chairman Gay Easton Marvin Carter Bill Staudinger Lorraine Craig Mark Mace Ed Steffans Dan Mears OTHERS PRESENT: Larry McCann Jeanette Koch Tom Canape - LR&G Paul Freund - LR&G Herb Stoick - LR&G Ernie Freund - LR&G Val Ayers - LR&G Brad Krause - LR&G Overtime at the container site On January 14th, the new hours will go into effect at the container site. In order to eliminate the overtime, the container site will be open from 7:30 a.m. to 11:45 a.m. and from 12:45 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. on Monday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. This will allow the attendant adequate time to return to the shop by noon for the lunch hour and to return to the container site to reopen by 12:45. The new hours will be advertised in the Laurel Outlook and in the City of Laurel NeWsletter, and a new sign will be posted at the container site. Tear down old building at swimming pool Larry explained the need to tear down the old building at the swimming pool. The committee discussed the pros and cons of the proposal, including possible liability, need for storage, and replacement of the building. Motion by Lorraine Craig to recommend to the council that the old building at the swimming pool is torn down, seconded by Dan Meats. Motion carried. Tom Canane - Rod and Gun Club Copies of a history of the Laurel Rod and Gun Club were distributed to the committee members prior to the meeting. A copy is included with these minutes. Tom Canape and several members of the Club explained their reasons for informing the Bowmen that their club could no longer use the facilities. After a lengthy discussion, Gay explained the City plans to arrange meetings with each club in the near future to determine the needs of each organization. Safety, liability, and insurance Public Works Committee minutes of January 7, 2002 matters will be addressed to determine the lease agreements for the buildings at Riverside Park. Fee schedule for building permits The Public Works Department recommends the creation of a resolution to establish a proposed fee schedule used to access fees for permits required by Laurel Municipal Code, Title 15, Buildings and Construction. Information regarding the building permit fees was distributed prior to the meeting. A copy is attached to these minutes. The committee had a lengthy discussion regard'mg the fee schedule. Motion by Marvin Carter to recommend that the council approve the increases in the fee schedule for building permits, seconded by Mark Mace. Motion carried. Cenex water costs Cenex Refinery has no water rights on the Yellowstone River. Due to the problems at the water intake, Cenex started using only treated water on December 26t~. Their water charges from November 13t~ through December 12th totaled $10,141.88. The committee had a lengthy discussion regarding Cenex and their request for an adjustment in treated water charges. Motion bi Mark Mace to recommend an adjustment of a maximum of 25 percent to Cenex for treated water charges if necessary, seconded by Bill Staudinger. Motion carried. Bill Bernhardt's sewer charge The Bernhardts use the city's water system to feed their cattle. Water charges for their account have been based on usage, and sewer charges have been based on ten units. Since the family is reduced to two members, the Bernhardts requested a reduced sewer charge. Jeanette explained that the average sewer charge for city residents is seven units. Motion by Ed Steffans to accept seven units as the base for the Bernhardt's sewer charge, seconded by Marvin Carter. Motion carded. Collection of annual $2.00 service fee for all water users Motion by Marvin Carter to approve the annual $2.00 service fee for all water users, seconded by Dan Mears. Motion carried. Unscheduled matters Public Works Committee minutes of Ianuary 7, 2002 HKM Engineering report IlK/VI Engineering will submit their report regarding the intake by February 1e. Larry asked the committee to recommend that the council send out requests for proposals for a preliminary engineering study for the intake. The preliminary study would cost approximately $100,000. Motion by Bill Staudinger to recommend that the council approve a resolution to spend $100,000 to do preliminary engineering on the intake study recommendation from HKM Engineering, seconded by Mark Mace. Motion carded. Committee for leases at Riverside Park Marvin Carter offered to serve on the mb-committee to review the lease agreements for the clubs at Riverside Park. The meeting adjourned at 6:17 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Cindy Allen Council Secretary CITY HALL I15W. [ST ST. PUB WORKS: 628-4796 WATER OFC: 628-743 i COL~.T: 628-1964 FAX: 028-2241 City Of Laurel P.O. Box 10 Laurel, Montana 59044 MEMORANDUM TO: FROM: SUB3ECT: DATE: Public Works Committee Steve Klotz, Deputy Director of Public Works Building Permit Fees January 2, 2002 DE?.a~RTMENT RECOMMENDATION: The public works department recommends the creation of a resolution to establish a proposed fee schedule used to access fees for perm/ts required by Laurel Municipal Code, Title 15, Buildings and Construction. BACKGROUND: Currently the City of Laurel is certified by the State of Montana to enforce the 1997 Uniform Building Code, the 1995 CABO One and Two Family Dwelling Code, and the 2000 Uniform Plumbing Code. The 1997 Uniform Building Code states that fees shall be assessed in accordance with its schedule or one set forth by the local jurisdiction. The 1995 CABO One and Two Family Dwelling Code states that a fee schedule shall be set forth by the local jur/sdicflon. The 2000 Uniform Plumbing Code states that tees shall be set forth by the local jurisdiction. Currently the City of Laurel bases its fees for both the Building Code and the One and Two Family Dwelling Code on the fee schedule provided in the 1985 edkion of the Uniform Building Code. Fees for Uniform Plumbing Code are based on State fees for plumbing permits. Permit fees are collected to offset the costs of providing building department services. These services include the assurance of construction standards that provide minimum requirements tbr public safety, structural satEty, fire protection and fire resistive construction, health and sanitation standards, accessibility, local zoning requirements, quality assurance, and accepted construction practices. A proposed ~e schedule is attached and reflects the fee schedule established by the i997 Unifbrm Building Code with the exception of the zee ~br the valuation of perrmts in the range of $1.00 to $500.00. The proposed ~e schedule for this range of valuation reflects the 1985 Uniform Building Code schedule, attached. Work permitted in this valuation range usually consists of minor homeow~aer imvrovements such as fences, sheds, small rOOting projects, and mo b/le home mstatlatiorm. City Of Laurel ;s :m ZEO Zrnuiover £anai i~ousmg Cpvommitv Proposed City of Laurel Building and DemOlition Permit Fee Schedule Fees are based on total value of building construction in accordance with the 1997 UBC. $1 $501 $601 $701 $801 $901 $1,001 $1,101 $1,201 $1,301 $1,401 $1,501 $1,601 $1,701 $1,801 $1,901 $2,001 $3,001 $4,001 $5,001 $6,001 $7,001 $8,001 $9,001 $10,001 $11,001 $12001 $13 001 $14 001 $15 001 $16,001 $17 001 $18 001 $19 001 $20 001 $21 001 $22,001 $23,001 $24,001 $25,001 $26,001 $27,001 $28,001 $29,001 $30,001 $31,001 $32.001 $33.001 $34.001 $35,001 $36.001 337001 $38.001 S39.001 s~0.001 541.001 3,42.301 3~3.30! 34~.001 to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to [o o to $500 to $600 to $700 to $800 to $900 to $1,000 to $1,100 to $1,200 to $1,300 to $1,400 to $1,500 $1,600 $1,700 $1,800 $1,900 $2,000 $3,000 $4,000 $5,000 $6,000 $7,000 $8,000 $9,000 $10,000 $11 000 $12 000 $13 000 $14 000 $15 000 $16 000 $17 000 $18 000 $19 000 $20 000 $21 000 $22000 $23000 $24000 $25000 $2~ O00 $27 300 $28 300 $29,000 $30,000 $31,000 $32,000 $33,000 $34,000 $35,000 $36,000 $37.000 $38.000 $39,000 $40,000 ~:~.1.000 $42.000 ~3.000 ?:~-,000 ~45,000 $15.00 $26.55 $29.60 $32.65 $35.70 $38.75 $41.80 $4~.85 $47.90 $50.95 $54.00 $57105 $60.10 $63.15 $66.20 $69.25 $83.25 $97,25 $111.25 $125.25 $139.25 $153.25 $167.25 $181.25 $195.25 $209.25 $223.25 $237.25 $251.25 $265.25 $2.79.25 $293.25 $307.25 $321.25 $335.25 $349.25 $363.25 $377.25 $391.25 $401.35 $411.45 $421.55 $431.65 $a41.75 $451.85 $461.95 $472.05 $482.15 $492.25 5502.35 $512.45 S522.55 3532.85 $$42.75 3552.35 5562.95 3573.05 :~ 583. ~ 5 5593.25 $45,001 $46,001 $47,001 $48,001 $49,001 $50,001 $51,001 $52,001 $53,001 $54,001 $55,001 $56001 $57.001 $58001 $59 001 $60 001 $61 001 $62 001 $63 001 $64001 $65 001 $66001 $67 001 $68,001 $69,001 $70,001 $71,001 $72,001 $73,001 $74,001 $75,001 $76,001 $77,001 $78,001 $79,001 $80,001 $81,001 $82,001 $83,001 $641001 $85,001 $86,001 $87,001 $88,001 $89,001 $90,001 $91.001 $92,001 $93,001 594.001 $95.001 $96.001 S97.001 S98.001 $99.001 to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to $46,000 $47,000 $48,000 $49,000 $50,000 $51,000 $52,000 $53,000 $54,000 $55,000 $56,000 $57,000 $58,000 $59,000 $60,000 $61,000 $62,000 $63,000 $64,000 $65,000 $66,000 $67,000 $68,00O $69,000 $7C 300 $71 300 $72,000 $73 000 $74000 $75000 $76000 $77 000 $78 000 $79 000 $80 000 $81 000 $82 000 $83 000 $64000 $85 000 $86 000 $87 000 $88000 $89.000 $96 300 $91 300 $92 300 $93 000 $94,000 $951000 S96,000 S97,000 598,000 $99.000 $100,000 $603.35 $613.45 $623.55 $633.65 $643.75 $650.75 $657.75 $664.75 $671.75 $678.75 $685.75 $692.75 $699.75 $706.75 $713.75 $720.75 $727.75 $734.75 $741.75 $748.75 $755.75 $762.75 $769.75 $776.75 $783.75 $790,75 $797.75 $804.75 $811.75 $818.75 $825.75 $832.75 $839.75 $846.75 $853.75 $860.75 $867.75 $874.75 $881.75 $888.75 $895,75 $902.75 $9O9.75 $916.75 $923.75 $930,75 $937.75 $9~-.75 $951.75 $958.75 $965.75 $972.75 $979.75 $986.75 3993.75 3vet ~00,000 = 5993.75 plus 55.60 for each $1000 Suer 500,000 = ~3233.75 Olus $4.75 for eact3 31000 Dver $1,000,O00 = 55608.75 o us $3.65 for each $1000 City of Laurel Building and Demolition Permit Fee Schedule Fees are based on total value ofbuildine construction in accordance with 1985 UBC. $1 to $501 to $601 to $701 to $801 to $901 to $1,001 to $1,101 to $1,201 to $1,301 to $1,401 to $1,501 to $1,601 to $1,701 to $1,801 to $1,901 to $2,001 to $3,001 to $4,001 to $5,001 to $6,001 to $7,001 to $8,001 to $9,001 to $10,001 to $11,001 to $12,001 to $13,001 to $14,001 to $15,001 to $16,001 to $17,001 to $18,001 to $19,001 to $2.0,001 to $21,001 to $22,001 to $23,001 to $24,001 to $25,001 to $26,001 to $27,001 to $28,001 to $29,001 to $30,001 to $31.001 to $32,001 to $33.001 to $34,001 to $35,001 to $36,001 to 337.001 to $38,001 to $39.001 to S40.001 to $41.001 to 3~.2.001 to 343.001 o $44.001 :o $5OO $6OO $700 $800 $9OO $1,000 $1,100 $1,200 $1,300 $1,400 $1,500 $1,600 $1,700 $1,800 $1,900 $2,000 $3,000 $4,000 $5,000 $6,000 $7,000 $8,000 $9,000 $10,000 $11,000 $12,000 $13,000 $14,000 $15,000 $16,000 $17,000 $18 000 $19 000 $20 000 $21 000 $22 000 $23 000 $24 000 $25 000 $26000 $27 000 $28 000 $29.000 $30,000 $31,000 $32,O00 $33,000 $34,000 $35,000 $36,000 $37,000 $38,000 $39,000 $40.000 ~-1,000 :¢42.000 ~43,000 ?~.4,000 S45.000 $15.00 $45,001 $17.00 $46,001 $19.00 $47,001 $21.00 :,$48,001 $23.00 $49,001 $25.00 $50,001 $27.00 $51,001 $29.00 $52,001 $31.00 $53,001 $33.00 $54,001 $35.00 $55,001 $37.00 $56,001 $39.00 $57,001 $41.00 $58,001 $43.00 $59,001 $45.00 $60,001 $54.00 $61,001 $63.00 $62,001 $72.00 $63,001 $81.00 $64,001 $90.00 $65,001 $99.00 $66,001 $108.00 $67,001 $117.00 $68,001 $126.00 $69,001 $135.00 $70,001 $144.00 $71,001 $153.00 $72,001 $162.00 $73,001 $171.00 $74,001 $180.00 $75,001 $189.00 $76,001 $198.00 $77,001 $207.00 $78,001 $216.00 $79,001 $225.00 $80,001 $234.00 $81,001 $243.00 $82,001 $252.00 $83,001 $258.00 $84,001 $265.00 $85,001 $271.00 $86,001 $278.00 $87,001 $284.00 $88,001 $291.00 $89,001 $297.00 $90,001 $304.00 $91,001 $310.00 $92.001 $317.00 $93,001 $323.00 $94,001 $330.00 $95.001 S336.00 S96.001 $343.00 $97.001 $349.00 398.001 $356.00 S99,001 3362.00 3359.00 3375.00 3382.00 to $46 000 to $47 000 to $48 000 to $49 000 1o $50 000 to $51 000 to $52 000 to $53 000 to $54000 to $55 000 to $56 000 to $57,000 to $58,000 to $59,000 to $60,000 to $61,000 to $62,000 to $63,000 to $64,000 to $65,000 to $66,000 to $67,000 to $68,000 to $69,000 to $70,000 to $71 000 to $72 000 to $73 000 to $74000 to $75 000 to $76 000 to $77 000 to $78000 to $79 000 to $80 000 to $81 000 to $82 000 to $83 000 to $84000 to $85 000 to $86000 to $87 000 to $88 000 to $89 000 to $90 000 to $91 000 to $92 000 to $93 000 to $94,000 to $95,000 to $96,000 to S97 000 to 398.000 to $99.000 to $100.000 $388.00 $395.00 $401.00 $408.00 $414.00 $419.00 $423.00 $428.00 $432.00 $437.00 $441.00 $446.00 $450.00 $455.00 $459.00 $464.00 $468.00 $473.00 $477.00 $482.00 $486.00 $491.00 $495.00 $500.00 $564.00 $509.00 $513.00 $518.00 $522.00 $527.00 $531.00 $536.00 $640.00 $545.00 $549.00 $564.00 $558.00 $563.00 $567.00 $572.00 $576,00 $581.00 $585.00 $590.00 $594. O0 $599.00 $603.00 S608.00 $612.00 $617.00 $621.00 S626.00 $63O.O0 S635.00 3639.50 :Dyer ' 00,000 = ;6,;9 plus 53.50 for each $1000 Over :500,000 = ~2039 plus $3 eacho°",000 .... o ,ol .uO0.O00 Cver ,;1. O00,O00 - o,;5,~9 plus $,- each 51000 tt~ereafter SOME HISTORY OF THE LAUREL ROD & GUN CLUB Interested local sportsmen of Laurel met on Monday, March 23, 1923, at the Merchants Hotel to organize a local Rod and Gun club. The first meeting was held on April 4, 1923, on the first Wednesday of the month. J. B. Hines was the first president but not the last. There have been 60 different men elected president of the Laurel Rod & Gun Club; this group has included past mayors of Laurel, businessmen and blue-collar workers. It used to be just about every male in the Laurel community was a member. Riverside Park was at first the property of the government and was used as a Works Progress Administration (WPA) work camp and later as a Federal Transient camp before it was turned over to the city, at no charge, spending $I00,000 US dollars for improving the property. Not sure when first occupied the building known as the Rod & Gun Club but according to Gene DeFrance, a former Laurel resident and owner ofDeFranca GMC, it was before WW 2. He said that they had started building the trap home before he went to the service and that they wrote him that they had it finished in 1941. So I believe that the Rod & Gun Club has been at Riverside for over 60 years. The building at that time did not have windows, bathrooms, kitchen, barbecue pit, or office. The floor was dirt and there was no ceiling. There was no grass either, this being planted by the members. In other words the building is now quite di/~ront dee to the improvements made by past and present Rod & Gun Club members. There has not always been money to make improvements; there have been lean times. The current members have been active and have worked hard at trying to improve the facility to suit their needs and those of their guests and renters. Some of the improvements are listed below. 1. 1993, installed dance floor, cost 2750.00 2. 1994, put up railing for dance floor, cost 450.00, installed two new doors, one off dance floor and one offkitchen, necessary to enlarge openings and pour footer for door off dance floor, cost 850.00 3. 1995, installed insulation in ceiling, no insulation made it impossible to stay warm in building during winter months, cost 600.00. Also installed new cabinets in kitchen, redid plumbing, put down new tile floor, painted kitchen, cleaned range hood and fan and old cabinet hardware, put in two new stoves, replaced wall behind stoves, and put in new wall by doer with new trim, cost 4500.00. Also put screens on ail windows, cost 850.00. 4. 1996, knocked down old trap house and rebuilt it, cost 2500.00. Put in new insulation and siding between windows, cost 350.00. 5. 1997, Put new gas heaters in kitchen and corner of dunce floor, cost 1600.00. Put in 9 new electrical outlets, installed new thermostat on old overhead heater and moved thermostat to wall, cost 800.00. Added insulation to ceiling to make an R-38, cost 705.00. 6. 1998, PUt new fi'ont door on, cost 450.00 7. I999, stained club and painted trim. Repaired back of building and replaced some logs on fi.mt. Cost, 1250.00. 8.2000, Put L,p new blinds, 800.00 9. 2001, Remodeled business room, 1000.00. This totals to $19455.00, add on the trap fields for $28455.00 Although not an improvement to the building but certainly an addition to the park are our two new trap fields, which can be enjoyed by the public as well as members, young and old alike. We added these fields in June of 2000, I would guess the cost to be around 9 000.00 dollars or more. Along with the JC's, the City, and George Metzger, we also contributed to the cost of the volleyball court. With regards to the Bowmen ming our building I don't know why we are here to answer that question. We have not violated our lease with the City of Laurel, the Bowmen have never been included in that lease and it should be up to us as lessee as to who uses the building and grounds, outside of the clause that states we must allow the City reasonable use of the hall for a public meeting or a public hearing. The Bowmen have used the building for indoor archery with our permission since 1'990, for the months of Jan, Feb., and March. They have used it in the past years also, again with membership approval. They have since 1990, paid for the utilities, gas and power for the 3 months of use. They also use the building for their regular meetings. We have been charging them $150. Per month for the months Of Jan., Feb., and March, and if the utilities went over that they were to pay the excess. They were okay until last year when the high rates made them go over but the club never charged them any extra although they were willing to pay. They would not be able to use the building for indoor archery if not for the fact that that we fixed our railing around the dance floor so one can take it and lay it down. We hope to make additional improvements to the inside, which will make it impossible to use it for indoor archery. It was hoped that by notifying them early they would be able to find another place to shoot. We do not feel that the inside of the clubhouse is a proper place for an archery range, no matter how careful there is damage resulting fi.om that use. Picture your house, and then imagine taking all of your furniture and moving it to one side of the room or the other and then bring in sheets of plywood to go fi.om the floor to the ceiling at one end of your house. These of ceurse must be braced against the walls for support. Then move in several large target stands and place in front of the plywood to use to place your targets on. I don't think you would want to do that. As a rod & gun club we support archery but not inside of the club, we do not allow our oma members to use it that way and I am sure with 354 members there are a number that would like to. One thing we have learned over the years is that when one rents or uses the building and they are not members, they seem to have the attitude "it isn't ours, so why care about the place." As for using the building for their meetings there was the feeling that when they have the attitude of"we have as much right to the building and grounds as you do", then it was time to sever the relationship. SOME HISTORY OF THE LAUREL ROD & GUN CLUB Interested local sportsmen of Laurel met on Monday, March 23, 1923, at the Merchants Hotel to organize a local Rod and Gun club. The first meeting was held on. April 4, 1923, on the first Wednesday of the month. J. B. Hines was the first president but not the last. There have been 60 different men elected president of the Laurel Rod & Gun Club; this group has included past mayors of Laurel, businessmen and blue-collar workers. It used to be just about every male in the Laurel community was a member. Riverside Park was at first the property of the government and was used as a Works Progress Administration (WPA) work camp and later as a Federal Transient camp before it was turned over to the city, at no charge, spending $100,000 US dollars for improving the property. Not sure when first occupied the building known as the Rod & Gun Club but according to Gene DeFrance, a former Laurel resident and owner of DeFrance GMC, it was before WW 2. He said that they had started building the trap house before he went to the service and that they wrote him that they had it finished in 1941. So I believe that the Rod & Gun Club has been at Riverside for over 60 years. The building at that time did not have windows, bathrooms, kitchen, barbecue pit, or office. The floor was dirt and there was no ceiling. There was no grass either, this being planted by the members. In other words the building is now quite different due to the improvements made by past and present Rod & Gun Club members. There has not always been money to make improvements; there have been lean times. The current members have been active and have worked hard at trying to improve the facility to suit their needs and those of their guests and renters. Some of the improvements are listed below. 1. 1993, installed dance floor, cost 2750.00 2. 1994, put up railing for dance floor, cost 450.00, installed two new doors, one off dance floor and one off kitchen, necessary to enlarge openings and pour footer for door off dance floor, cost 850.00 3. 1995, installed insulation in ceiling, no insulation made it impossible to stay warm in building during winter months, cost 600.00. Also installed new cabinets in kitchen, redid plumbing, put down new tile floor, painted kitchen, cleaned range hood and fan and old cabinet hardware, put in two new stoves, replaced wall behind stoves, and put in new wall by door with new trim, cost 4500.00. Also put screens on all windows, cost 850.00. 4. 1996, knocked down old trap house and rebuilt it, cost 2500.00. Put in new insulation and siding between windows, cost 350.00. 5.. 1997, Put new gas heaters in kitchen and corner of dance floor, cost 1600.00. Put in 9 new electrical outlets, installed new thermostat on old overhead heater and moved thermostat to wall, cost 800.00. Added insulation to ceiling to make an R-38, cost 705.00. 6. 1998, Put new front door on, cost 450.00 7. 1999, stained club and painted trim. Repaired back of building and replaced some logs on front. Cost, 1250.00. 8. 2000, Put up new blinds, 800.00 9.2001, Remodeled business room, 1000.00. This totals to $19455.00, add on the trap fields for $28455.00 Although not an improvement to the building but certainly an addition to the park are our two new trap fields, which can be enjoyed by the public as well as members, young and old alike. We added these fields in June of 2000, I would guess the cost to be around 9 000.00 dollars or more. Along with the JC's, the City, and George Metzger, we also contributed to the cost of the volleyball court. With regards to the Bowmen using our building I don't know why we are here to answer that question. We have not violated our lease with the City of Laurel, the Bowmen have never been included in that lease and it should be up to us as lessee as to who uses the building and grounds, outside of the clause that states we must allow the City reasonable use of the hall for a public meeting or a public hearing. The Bowmen have used the building for indoor archery with our permission since 1990, for the months of Jan, Feb., and March. They have used it in the past years also, again with membership approval. They have since 1990, paid for the utilities, gas and power for the 3 months of use. They also use the building for their regular meetings. We have been charging them $1 S0. Per month for the months of Jan., Feb., and March, and if the utilities went over that they were to pay the excess. They were okay until last year when the high rates made them go over but the club never charged them any extra although they were willing to pay. They would not be able to use the building for indoor archery if not for the fact that that we fixed our railing around the dance floor so one can take it and lay it down. We hope to make additional improvements to the inside, which will make it impossible to use it for indoor archery. It was hoped that by notifying them early they would be able to find another place to shoot. We do not feel that the inside of the clubhouse is a proper place for an archery range, no matter how careful there is damage resulting from that use. Picture your house, and then imagine taking all of your furniture and moving it to one side of the room or the other and then bring in sheets of plywood to go from the floor to the ceiling at one end of your house. These of course must be braced against the walls for support. Then move in several large target stands and place in front of the plywood to use to place your targets on. I don't think you would want to do that. As a rod & gun club we support archery but not inside of the club, we do not allow our own members to use it that way and I am sure with 354 members there. are a number that would like to. One thing we have learned over the years is that when one rents or uses the building and they are not members, they seem to have the attitude "it isn't ours, so why care about the place." As for using the building for their meetings there was the feeling that when they have the attitude of "eve have as much right to the building and grounds as you do", then it was time to sever the relationship.