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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity/County Planning Board Minutes 07.13.1978 Minutes of LY CC PB held 7/13/78 LAUREL- YELLOWSTONE CITY - COUNTY PLANNING BOARD LAUREL, MONTANA 59044 July 13, 1978 Metting called to order at 7:25 pm by John Hawley Smith, Pres. with the following members present: John Hawley Smith, Pres. (City Rep.) Ed Laprath (County Rep) James Seaton (County Rep) Gerald Shay (Member at Large) Bus Roberts (City Rep - new member) Otto J. Preikszas, Exec. Secty. (City Rep) Tom Bradley (City Rep) Kenneth Christian (County Rep) R. M. Williams (County Rep) absent were: Leo Kamp, Jr. (County Rep) Jack Mayes (City Rep.) also present: John MacMartin, Cumin Assoc., Billings Bob Mace Alden Pedersen Jerry Cormier, Economics West, Billings Buck Wood Harlan Lund, County Surveyor, Billings Terry Nebel Diane and James Reiter Peter J. Teclur Mary Alice, Margaret, Fred, and Bob Graham Marion Strecher Dave and Loretta Frickel Marsha Vanberg Minutes of previous metting read and approved. Bills approved for payment: advertising in the Laurel Outlook for $18.00; administrative services, July, to the'eng. /bldg dept for $200 contingent upon budget being approved. Letter read appointing Bus Roberts to the board for 2 years. PB 78 -6 CHERRY HILL SUB., 2nd filing "an addition to the City of Laurel" Alden Pedersen representing Bob Mace states his client wants a good subdivision - one that the City of Laurel can live with, etc. Jerry Cormier presented written items to be addressed concerning this subdivision gegarding basis of need, effects on agriculture, effects on taxation, effects on environment, effects on wildlife habitat, and effects on public health and safety. Question: What is the status of the interceptor grant applied for from HUD? Ans.: IN limbo Discussion. Owner wants approval of plat contingent upon providing the sewer and water. Discussion. Harlan Lund says it is possible to go to 1/2 acre lots so that septic /'■ tanks would function and the State Board of Health would approve this plat. It would be possible to divide those lots later on. Subdivider would rather have this plat approved as is. Mr. Stepper states he is an adjoining land owner and is opposed to this subdivision. He is a farmer, and is worried about kids and dogs running loose. He has horses that could hurt somebody. Question regarding irri- gation ditch and what happens to that irrigation ditch? What happens with the REA power line which is on the south property line? What provisions are made for run -off which will be far in excess of present times? All the water would run off onto his land as there is a 12' strip on the south boundary continuing the alley platted in the first filing. At the present time the alley is not being used. 12' is the bare minimum the city can live with. The other footage would have to come at a later time. The ditch handles several properties south of the proposed subdiv- ision How much lowering of the water table is anticipated? Harlan Lund answered. The water table is rather low and would be east of Stepper's area. Ditch is in process of being covered in Casa Linda Sub. There is an open drain which dumps into the old Italian Ditch. The present storm sewer can not handle the run -off. 6 people present opposed to proposed subdivision. Harlan Lund stated the open ditch is the first filing. Curb and gutter would take run -off over to first filing. Drainage would be from the street mostly. More discussion. The development will reduce the run -off about 25 %. Ed LaPrath questioned the 1/2 acre platting. More discussion of drainage ditches being tiled, etc. regarding open ditch on first filing. Dave Frickel questioned 1/2 acre, septic tanks, etc., and what that will do to the present wells south of the proposed subdivision. John MacMartin stated the plat did not show the con- tinuation of 17th Ave. or Maryland Lane. 2 alternate pro - posals were submitted with alleys and without alleys. 17th will eventually be an arterial according to the Transpor- tation Plan and Maryland Lane will be a major collector. A 1' "no access strip" onto 17th Ave. lots will be necessary. Underground utilities must be placed underground. Waiver of protest needs to be changed to read "traffic control devices ", /add water and sanitary sewer lines and waiver of protest for a future bridge crossing of the Big Ditch on 17th Ave. 112 lots. Plat Review Committee recommends conditional approval contingent upon these points. Ditch crossing will be shared by 'orth /south subdivisions by SID at some future date. Waiver should show up in an abstract. The ditch will have to be moved and continued with the approval of ditch owners or users. Drainage is a problem. The city's system is not adequate. Half acre lots are based on the premise that city water would be available. City water will not be available. The park dedication will be based upon 3 acres at $10,000 per acre as adopted by the board at its last meeting or about $30,000. Water system should be 2 mell. gal. per. da. The present water and sewer plants are in process of updating and are being designed to handle a greatly expanded population in Ll. Question regarding grades for pumping water. What about capacity of reservoir? Capacity is 4 mill gal per da. and can service 9 - -10 thousand people coupled with 4 mill gal plant before major expansion will be necessary. Probably would require 2 separate pressure systems in the future rather than the 1 we have now. When Langve Sub went through the board it got conditional approval from the board. The Council could not approve because it was platted as "an addition to the city of L1 ", and the city could not gaurantee water and sewer. County Commissioners approved the Langve plat. It is now in limbo. Plat Review Committee recommends approval by the County Commission- ers on Cherry Hill, 2nd filing, as with Langve Sub. Discussion of 17th Ave as arterial. Discussion of drainage. Tom Bradley suggested allocating how much land to annex each year. Suggested a moratorium until the city has a definite storm drain and sanitary sewer solution. Suggested a moratorium on growth until these things are done. Subdivider would be willing to wait for this study for a few months. A joint public hearing will be held next month on the Transportation Plan and also on extending zoning to within one mile of city limits. This might be a good time to discuss the drainage. Meeting will be August 10th. Tom Bradley moved to table this until September 14th and until council can look at the drainage situation, seconded by Ken Christian. Carried. The ditch will be fenced by Mace in 1st filing. More children drown in little ditches. "Who is liable ?" asked Bob Graham. Could be considered an attractive nuisance stated Tom Bradley. The other argument is that the parents know the ditch is there and the children are not supervised. September metting would hamper Cormier's EIS duties. John MacMartin stated he would be in contact with the Council and all involved to help the developer if they so desired. Tom Bradley suggests recommending to council regarding drain system. Bob Graham commented on Casa Linda Sub that 8th Ave drains 42,000 acres according to a Denver /FHA engineer. Bob Mace says this acreage takes into account if the Big Ditch breaks, etc. 12th Ave and Maryland Lane will not be in trouble in Cherry Hill, 1st filing. FHA is talking about 70 sections of land. More discussion. Cormier states this subdivision meets a basic need of Ll. PB #78 -5 RED BRIDGE SUBDIVISION Jerry Cormier presented items to be addressed concerning this subdivision such as basis of need, effects on agri- culture, effects on local services, effects on taxation, effects on environment, effects on wildlife habitat, effects on the public health and safety. 1 acre plots with individual wells and septic tanks are planned. Mr. Reiter wants to sell his land, use the profit to put back into the rest of his land to more properly use his land for agricultural purposes. Ground water should be acceptable on most lots. John MacMartin reccommends denial based on the follow- ing items: Basis of need - -the property is located within an area delineated as reservation for agricultural uses on the LUE map. Substantial amts of land have been reserved for residential use to meet the needs of Ll for the next 20 years; thus, this is far in excess of what is needed for residential expansion. 2) Effects on Agriculture -- the EIA states that the property is 85 -90% prime agricultural land. Land that is subdivided and developed in rural areas does have an adverse effect on the surrounding agricultural uses. Some of these adverse effect are improper management of irrigation water, improper management and fencing of irrigation ditches, uncontrolled running of dogs causing damage to livestock and many other things which have an adverse effect on the agricultural productivity of a larger area. John commented further on effects on local services, effects on taxation, effects on the natural environment, effects on wild- life and wildlife habitat, and effects on the public health and safety. Discussion of on -site soils. Discussion of LUE. Dis- cussion of bus service for school children. Discussion of taxation. Question regarding interior road. Is it a county road? Yes. SCS says it is prime agricultural land, but . actual on -site inspection reveals it is sand and gravel most- ly. No protestors. Discussion of county roads. Otto Preikszas moved to deny because plat does not agree with the master plan, seconded by Bus Roberts. Passed with Shay and LaPrath voting "no", Seaton abstained, and Bradley excused himself because of a conflict of interest. Election of officers. President: John Hawley Smith Vice President: R. M. Williams Exec Secty: Otto J. Preikszas Discussion of 1 -mile zoning. Hearing set for August 10th metting. Use quarter lines. John MacMartin will pre- pare the zoning map to correspond with the LUE. No agri- cultural zone in the present zoning ordinance. Meeting adjourned at 10:05 pm. Respectfully Submitted, Otto/. Preik as Exec. Secretary