HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity/County Planning Board Minutes 09.14.1978 MINUTES OF THE
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CITY-COUNTY PLANNING BOARD
LAUREL, MONTANA 59044
September 14, 1978
Meeting called to order at 7:04 p.m. by John Hawley
Smith, President, with the following members present:
John Hawley Smith, President (City Rep.)
R. M. Williams, V. Pres. (County Rep.)
Otto J. Preikszas, Exec. Secty (City Rep.)
James Seaton (County Rep.)
Gerald Shay, Member at Large
Tom Bradley (City Rep.)
Bus Roberts (City Rep.)
Ed LaPrath (County Rep.)
Ken Christian (County Rep.)
members absent:
Leo Kamp, Jr. (County Rep.)
Jack Mayes (City Rep.)
also present:
John MacMartin, Cumin Assoc., Billings
Mary Inez Vaughn,209 E.lst St., Laurel
E. A. Richardson,117 4th Ave., Laurel
John Davis
Terry Nebel,112 3rd Ave., Laurel
John Kraft
Don Bolenske
John A. Kraft
C. A. Foos
Bob Graham
Donna Kilpatrick
Donna Betschowa
Michael Mace
Jerry Cormier
Harlan Lund, County Surveyor, Billings
Tom Astle,111 Burlington, Billings
Murr S. Isaacs, Building Official, Laurel
Leon W. Howe, Sanderson /Stewart /Mueller Eng., Billings
Bill Sheridan, Billings
Mary McCormick,116 4th Ave., Laurel
Minutes approved with change showing Nebel was approved
and then recinded because of hearing being held too early in
the evening.
CHERRY HILL, 2nd FILING #PB78 -6
Letter from Mike Mace regarding Cherry Hill, 2nd filing,
requesting their hearing be tabled until a later date. Motion
to allow by Tom Bradley, second from Bus Roberts. Carried.
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Bills approved for payment: Eng. /Bldg. Dept. for Admini-
strative Services $200.00; Cumin Assoc., Advisory Services
for July, August and September, 1978, as per contract in the
amount of $2,750.00 less $92.02 overpayment = $2,657.98
(city share).
TRANSPORTATION PLAN
Question from Gerald Shay on central business district
regarding Penneys diagonal parking. Shay objects. Thriftway
curbing was questioned regarding truck traffic being able to
turn easily. Shay would rather see it left the way it is
now. Question regarding underpass widening. Taking room
from the west side would make it difficult to get into the
elevator with a truck. Discussion. John MacMartin states
this is just widening to maximum allowed. Recommend improve-
ments to rural Sec. 12 and Sec. 1 directly west of Laurel,
existing gravel county road. Road does not go that far north.
MacMartin agrees. Bus Roberts inquired regarding crosswalk
on Figure 5 -2. Wants to recommend painting the crosswalk
from Mace's corner over to Penneys. Discussion. Otto Preikszas
stated regarding Figure 5 -3, that this is what the Planning
Board is really after in this plan. Discussion. Figure 5 -1,
5 -2, and 5 -4 are the only places where detail is shown.
Motion to ignore lst Ave. and lst St. intersection in Figure
5 -2. Motion from Gerald Shay to approve the transportation
plan with this exception, second by Ed LaPrath. Carried.
Recommendation to go to City Council for final approval.
TERRY NEBEL ZONE CHANGE REQUEST #PB78 -9
A zone change has been requested on Lots 19 and 20,
Block 6, East Laurel Subdivision, from R -2 zone to C -1
commercial. Located at 112 3rd Avenue, Laurel, west across
from the police complex. John MacMartin recommends approval.
This request in in conformance with the Land Use Element of
the Comprehensive Plan recently adopted. Advertised in paper
8/23 and 8/30. Nebel stated he wants to open up an upholstery
shop for furniture. He is getting out of automotive altogether.
In an existing building remodelled a bit. Alley runs east/
west, north /south, "T" shaped. Question: Have you been
operating this business somewhere else? Yes, at 502 West
Main. Walk in traffic is limited. Free pickup and delivery
is offered. 90% is over the telephone business. Question:
What is going to happen to the rest of the block? Explanation
by John MacMartin that the entire block will be commercial
in new zoning ordinances. Will not affect taxes based on
zoning. Should be according to the existing land use.
Discussion. Question: How is the zoning going to affect a
$50 -- 60,000 home across the street by Mrs. George McCormick.
Should not affect it at all. Discussion. Nebel will live
at the proposed address. It is a rather depressing house as
a place for a residence. If another business wants to come
into the block, they will have to apply for a zone change.
Tom Bradley asked how many present are opposed? Only one --
Mrs. George McCormick, 116 4th Avenue, Laurel. Discussion.
Petition in support of zone change in file. John MacMartin
recommends approval. The City Council will make the final
choice. Motion to approve by Otto Preikszas, second by Bus
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INGRAHAM SUB. ANNEXATION #PB78 -7
Annexation has been requested on Lots 36 and 37, Block 1,
Ingraham Subdivison, R -1 zone. MacMartin and Department Heads
recommend denial due to the sanitary and storm sewer problems
of the area. Gerald Shay made motion to deny, seconded by Ken
Christian. Carried.
MEADOWOOD HILLS SUBDIVISION #PB78 -10
Harlan Lund displayed the plat. This is an 80 acre
agricultural farm NE of city to be divided into 1 acre tracts.
Was farmed as a dairy by Don Bolenske, purchased by Tony
Betschowa to develop for residential use. Bolenske intends
to keep his buildings and area below ditch. Simple design.
Street going east and west from Yard Office Road and other
road on top of ridge. Big Ditch comes close to the edge of
the property. Jerry Cormier stated regarding EIS that soils
within the subdivision are of 6 different types throughout.
Percolation on every lot is recommended. Other effects on
environment minimal. No wildlife will be disturbed. Basis
of need is evident by Laurel's growth. Is within Laurel's
planning area. Effects on agriculture: it is agricultural
land, generally Class 2 to 5. It is pretty good agricultural
but hard to irrigate. Effects on local services relatively
minimal. Water and sewer to be provided interiorally on
each lot. Police protection, medical, and schools: schools
would have a problem with the subdivision; however, between
time. EIS was written and complete development time would
be 10 years instead of 5 years. The 75 lots will now be 61
lots. 100 - -122 children will be added over a 10 -year period.
This would be an impact that can be handled. Schoolboard
is going ahead with planning for growth. They plan additions
to West School and to the high school. Effects on taxation:
estimate subdivision could generate $40,000 in taxable revenues.
Basic demand would be on schools and police protection.
Question regarding percolation tests. Water would be contained
on each individual lot by wells and septic tanks. State
requires 100' distance between well and septic tank. State
requires an acre for individual water and sewer. All lots
meet this requirement. State will have a plan should this plat
be accepted. Soil is how deep? 2' to 5' or 6' deep or more.
Normal flow will be south and west. Where is the run off
going? Soils scientists figure drainfield should be 18"
deep with 18" soil on top. Total of about 36 ". Soil treat-
ment rather than disposal. Maintain a minimum separation of
drainfields .and wells. Have there been any efforts to cor-
relate this subdivision with others in the area? This is
a 10 -year development plan. Inez Vaughn wants to know about
the excess water from storms, etc. Where is it going to go?
Generally talking about a small percent of lot being covered
with pavement.' Should not be a problem. Where is the water
going to go? Into the Big Ditch probably. Vaughn says the
Big Ditch will not allow this. Lund says this development
will not make a change in the amount of water to run off of
this property. May add 5 %. The streets are not going to take
up that much. An asphalt street would add approximately
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2 acres more use of the 80 acres, which would be 100% run
off. No curb and gutter will be installed. Drainage will
be directed to low points and culverts beneath the road.
City houses are 10 to the block. Out there will be 2 to the
block. The difference in the storm run off will be negli-
gable. Discussion. MacMartin stated his comments and recom-
mendations. Park dedication cash @ $10,000 per acre. Staff
recommends conditional approval. Plat Review recommends
conditional approval:
1) Additional r /o /w for the arterial street; neces-
sary Certificate of Survey to be filed prior
to final approval of this plat.
2) Existing utilities need to be indicated.
3) Lot 15, Block 1, and Lot 12, Block 2, need
to be changed.
4) Storm drainage patterns need to be shown and
method of disposal.
5) The run off from the spring needs to be addressed.
6) Removal of buildings on Lots 2 and 3, Block 1,
needs to be addressed in the subdivision im-
provements agreement.
EIS comments from MacMartin: Underground water section- -
MacMartin takes exception to the State rules. Sewage disposal
section: land contains severe soil conditions. Septic tanks,
etc., will cost more to take care of the problems. Some
statement should be made about re- vegetation in the barrow
pits. Impact will be on the schools and police. Perhaps
taxes will fit the bill but not guaranteed. Would take the
entire tax base of_the community to pay the way. Suggests
conditional approval. Will utilities be underground? MPC
must be underground. REA has option. Board can stipulate
underground utilities if it so desires. Cormier states water
and sewer 100' minimum separation between. Wells along front
of lots with drainfields towards the back. Discussion.
Question regarding Big Ditch. Will county and state consider
the run off? Most of the water will run off into the Big
Ditch. What does the spring drain into? Picks up water from
Cove and Highline and dumps back into the Big Ditch. This
problem will be addressed in the SIA. More discussion of
underground utilities. Motion by R. M. Williams to approve
subject to MacMartin's recommendations, seconded by Gerald
Shay. Carried.
KRAFT MINOR PLAT #PB78 -11 AMENDING LOT 11, NUTTING BROS. SUB.,
2nd FILING
Tom Astle representing John Kraft. Discussion of r /o /w.
2 existing homes on city water and sewer. Street has never
been platted. Discussion of half alley which would put house
within 8' of the alley. Easement on north for Nutting Drain.
Alley would be dead end. MacMartin recommends subdivider
be advised that no additional water and sewer hookups will
be allowed without being annexed to city limits. Staff
recommends conditional gproval subject to:
1) Delineate r /o /w for Fir Avenue sufficient to
provide a smooth•transition
2) Half r /o /w for the alley
3) Easement along the drainage ditch
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4) Inform the subdivider that no additional water
or sewer hookups will be allowed.
Plat Review recommends conditional approval subject to
conditions of the staff. Kraft asked what good is an alley
going nowhere? It would only go 2 blocks. There is no r /o /w
along the north line. Discussion of Highpoint Subdivision.
State law says that you can not use a Certificate of Survey
in a platted subdivision, hence this hearing. Motion from
Ken Christian to conditionally approve except for the alley,
second by James Seaton. Carried.
LARDIN -- re: ABANDONING ROAD IN DE CARLO SUBDIVISION
4th Street is a primary east /west street. MacMartin
suggests not vacating that road. Motion from Tom Bradley
recommending MacMartin's opinion be heeded opposing vacating
street at this time, seconded by Otto Preikszas. Carried.
Letter to County Commissioners will be drafted with this recom-
mendation.
SHERIDAN SUBDIVISION #PB78 -4
Leon Howe presented final plat for signature of Planning
Board. Check in the amount of $888 for park dedication and
waiver of protest presented. Otto Preikszas moved to approve,
second by Gerald Shay. Carried. Will be on September 19th
agenda for City Council.
PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCES
Special meeting will be held Tuesday, September 26th,
at 7:30 p.m.
WARD SUBDIVISION #PB78 -8
Discussion. Petition against R -2 zoning was presented
to Council. Perhaps annexation fees should be changed so
that notices may be sent to adjoining property owners for all
annexations.
Meeting adjourned at 9:21 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Ott J. Prei szas
Executive Secretary
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