HomeMy WebLinkAboutCity Council Minutes 09.03.1985Minutes of the City Council of Laurel
September 3, 198~
A regular meeting of the City Council of the City of Laurel, Montana, was held
in the Council Chambers and called to order by Mayor Albert Ehrlick at 7:00
p.m., on September 3, 1985.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
Lonnie Kellogg
Marvin Carter
Mel Krug
Bill Brennan
Donald Meyers
Rob Harris
Bob Gauthier
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT: Chuck Dickerson
INVOCATION: Invocation given by Alderman Carter.
MINUTES: Motion by Alderman Meyers to approve the minutes of the regular meeting
of August 20th and special :meeting of August 22nd, 1985, as presented, seconded
by Alderman Krug. Carried.
CORRESPONDENCE:
Received a memo from the Montana League of Cities and Towns regarding nominations
for offices and resolutions for the annual convention.
Received a notice from the U.S. Department of Labor regarding the Fair Labor
Standards Act and the "Garcia" Decision made by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Received a letter of resignation from J. D. Copenhaver from the City-County
Planning Board.
Received a petition with 25 signatures from property owners in Cherry Hills
Subdivision against the zone change proposed by Mace Realty.
CLAIMS: Claims for the month of August were reviewed by the Budget/Finance
Committee.
Motion by Alderman Gauthier to pay the claims for the month of August,
Seconded by Alderman Meyers. Motion carried 7-0.
JIM KAERCHER~ HKM - PROGRESS REPORT.ON WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT: Jim presented
a written report on the progress of the wastewater treatment plant, its approximately
96% complete, about 5 months behind schedule.
Jim brought the Council up to date on the Volk claim. There was some information
that was incomplete. This claim didn't have any financial breakout or cost
breakout in it. Some of the claims are something that happened a year and a
half ago and this is the first we've heard about it. Our intent is to go back
and gather all the letters and information, inspection reports, present it to
the City and then you people review the claim. After you have had time to
review it, then sit down with us and discuss the claim.
There are items to be done at the plant but we haven't even gotten to the punch
list yet.
The total claim that Volk has turned in is for $337,000.00; $150,000.00 is for a
blower.
LOIS STAHLEY - BEER PERMIT~ ADDIE'S CAFE: Lois appeared before the Council to
ask permission to have a beer permit on Saturday, September 7, 1985, for a
barbeque for employees and customers. It's a $2.00 all you can eat barbeque.
Lonnie Kellogg explained that any time you use alcohol to enhance any type of
business, it requires a State license.
Larry Herman stated if Addies had some community organization putting the barbeque
on, then you could get a beer permit.
Don Meyers Either that or give the food away.
Motion by Alderman Meyers to grant Addies permission to have beer on Saturday
(September 9, 1985) providing everything is free, seconded by Alderman Carter.
Motion carried 6-1 with Alderman Krug voting, "NO."
LAUREL LITTLE LEAGUE-MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELD AT THOMPSON PARK:
Bob Gauthier filled the Council in on what is proposed. The outfield is a lot of
weeds and the Little League would like to turn it into grass. They also want to
haul some dirt in on the infield.
This was referred to the Park Committee.
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816, seconded by Alderman Meyers. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Gauthier to reconsider the George Figgins zone change,
seconded by Alderman Meyers. Motion carried 7-0.
ORDINANCE NO. 816 (first reading)
DESIGNATING RMH ZONE AND CHANGING THE LAUREL
ZONING MAP.
Motion by Alderman Meyers that Ordinance No. 816 (first reading) be passed
and adopted, seconded by Alderman Brennan. Upon taking a roll call vote, the
following aldermen answered:
Brennan YES Kellogg NO
Krug YES Meyers YES
Carter YES Gauthier YES
Harris YES
Motion carried 6-1.
PUBLIC HEARING - MACE REALTY - ZONE CHANGE TO R6000: LOTS 1-3, BLOCK 14 and
LOTS 5-13, BLOCK 13, CHERRY HILLS, SECOND FILING: This being the time and place
advertised, a public hearing was held.
The City-County Planning Board recommends approval.
Also a valid protest was filed.
Proponents:
Jim Worthington I'm the consulting engineer representing the developer, Mace
Realty. The application before you tonight is for a zone change. The property
is located on the south side of Maryland Lane in Cherry Hills Subdivision,
2nd filing.
The lots were laid out with larger frontage with the idea of hopefully going
to this type of development: condominiums. Taking this to the Planning Board
the applicant has agreed to the conditions set forth by the Planning Board.
The conditions were that the property and the condo association documents would
be set up so that no home occupation (businesses) allowed in any of the units.
That the property would be set up that the condos themselves would not be built
with the intent to rent and the developers have agreed that they will stipulate
and guarantee as the units are built not as rental units. The other stipulation
by the Planning Board was the size of the lot. The size of the units themselves
would be a minimum of 1270 sq. ft. The agreement of each unit would have a price
range of $75,000 to $85,000. The developer is in agreement with all the conditions
set forth by the Planning Board.
Larry Herman stated the developer has received three letters from people who
are within the protest area and live within the City of Laurel. If you look
at the protest area (150 feet) and within that 150 feet in fact in 300 feet,
there are no protestors that reside within the City of Laurel. One problem
that came up at the meeting with the Planning Board was how does one enforce
the agreement? The only thing I can say in this regard is it can be put into
restrictions, covenants of the subdivision, and in that case be enforced by the
property owners themselves. The letters in favor are from George Lee, Robert
Diede and Bill White.
Marvin Carter also received a letter in favor from Ellen Ready who will be living
in this area.
Opponents:
Hazen Arnold I reside at 1030 10th Avenue in Laurel and I'm the owner of record
of Lot 3 and 5 and is south of the City limits and west of the City limits, but
I am directly effected by the change that is being recommended now. The only
major objection I have (other than the density) is the fact that these are going
to try to sell for $85,000 per condo and the average price of a home in that
area is $55,000. It's not my money being invested here but I would say that's
pushing your luck as far as trying to get some money. If there is a short fall
of customers for this sort of condominium, the developer would have no recourse
except to try and rent them. Because of the uncertain market in housing right
now, I would say it's awfully risky; and if in fact there weren't a Plan B to
fall back to a rental, I would be surprised. If that does happen, if rentals
do happen, this Council has no recourse to enforce the stipulations that have
been set forth. That is my concern - that it will not meet all the stipulations
that have been placed forward.
Bob Hornin~ My property adjoins the project on the sol~thwms~ cnrn~r mS ~
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Linde Wilkerson Our piece of property is right between the two pieces that
Hazen Arnold has pointed out, We're opposed to it for the same reason. We
feel that once you allow that zoning to go in you don't have any control over
what else could happen in that particular area. We don't think it's compatible
to what's in that area already. It's going to depreciate our property no matter
what happens, once you allow more than single family.
Teresa Gremmer We live on llth Avenue. I went around with one of the petitions
for our neighbors. What I have a question on is what was the original plat
turned in as? If it was for single family why is it already stubbed in for the
double when it hasn't been approved yet for multi-family?
Mike Mace We did that contemplating that the zone change would be a favorable
one for us, that was one of the reasons. The other reason was the cost of
doing it. At the time it was less expensive to take the risk and put in the
water and sewer hookups if the zone change was approved than to take the risk
and have it approved and then have to cut up the street and do it again. The
financial gamble we took of the denial of the zone request was not as expensive
as it would have been if we would have waited for the approval and then tore
up the street and did it at that time.
Hazen Arnold Question for Mr. Mace. If the denial or the zone change is denied
what do you have to do to make good your stub up? What is the construction
that has to be done?
Mike Mace A plumber will just go down and plug it off. The pipe will always
be in the ground. We'll just plug it off.
Gene Hatley I live south of these properties and I've no objection to the
single family dwelling but the density I don't really care for.
Motion by Alderman Carter to close the public hearing, seconded by Alderman
Meyers. Motion carried 7-0.
Lonnie Kellogg How many legal protests did we have, Don?
Don Hackmann 6 which is a legal protest - over 20% on one side.
Lonnie Kellogg Do you have the names?
Don Hackmann Yes. Homing, Arnold, Wilkerson, Frickel and Scozzari.
Don Meyers Then there's really no legal City residences that protested or even
could protest it except for these 3 letters we had.
Bob Gauthier Question for Cal. What restrictions does R6000 put on condominiums?
Cal Cumin It means 6000 sq. ft. per living unit and you can build a duplex
there basically.
Bob Gauthier Just duplex type condominiums or can they be multi-story?
Cal Cumin No restrictiions on that.
Don Meyers There would be no restrictions as to the dollar amount they could
build? They could ~ust build a duplex in there if we give them the R60007
Cal Cumin They have floor area requirements that are going to have to be submitted
with their development plans. This was brought before the Planning Board two
months ago. Before we would recommend approval, we sent them back and asked
for some proof of their plans. There were several reasons for the Planning
Board's decision to recommend approval of this. One was mentioned, and I think
it's an important one, that is that Maryland and the street to the west of there
are both major collector streets. I realize that's a nice quiet area now, but
the reason we have these maps and the reason Laurel spends money on these programs
is to try and figure out and anticipate the future. This is what the Planning
Board was trying to do here. We're anticipating that living on a collector
street is not going to be the best place for a single family detached house,
just continuously. The density increase here is 12 units. It's not a major
increase. There was a feeling on the Board that when this type of thing comes
up south of the trac~s or the east part of town (which we tend to get our multi-
family located in that area) and that we shouldn't be excluding this northwest
part of town from experiencing this type of thing. We did require that the
developer submit a draft of his restrictive covenants saying what he's going
to allow .t~ere, how it's going to be done and who's going to do what.
Bob Gauthier This is already in the City limits. We don't have to have an
annexation. Once we approve it that's the end of it, right?
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Cai cumin Once you approve it you get the zonxng. Right. That's it.
Don Meyers There's nothing that they will all be sold and not rented. One
thing a gentleman brought up if they didn't sell could he turn around and rent
them?
Cal Cumin That's a very good point.
homes there and couldn't sell them,
prohibiting him from renting them.
I th{nk if he built 12
he could rent them too.
single family
There's nothing
ORDINANCE NO. 821 (first reading)
DESIGNATING R6000 ZONE AND CHANGING THE LAUREL
ZONING MAP.
Motion by Alderman Carter that Ordinance No.
and adopted, seconded by Alderman Brennan.
following aldermen answered:
Gauthier NO Harris NO
Meyers NO Carter YES
Kellogg NO Krug NO
Brennan YES
821 (first reading) be passed
Upon taking a roll call vote the
Motion was defeated 5-2.
ORDINANCE NO. 820 (SECOND READING):
ORDINANCE NO. 820 (second reading)
AMENDING SECTION 17.28.020 TO CLARIFY AND AMEND
MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
Motion by Alderman Kellogg that Ordinance No. 820
passed and adopted, seconded by Alderman Carter. Upon
all aldermen present voted, "YES." Motion carried 7-0.
(second reading) be
taking a roll call vote
COMMITTEE REPORTS:
License Committee minutes of August 29, 1985, were presented and reviewed.
Motion by Alderman Krug to grant a City license to Jeff Boeck Construction,
seconded by Alderman Brennan. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Meyers to grant a City license to Stop and Go Pizza
pending fire inspection, seconded by Alderman Carter. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Meyers to grant Ye Olde Town Chimney Sweep a City license,
seconded by Alderman Carter. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Meyers to grant a City license to William Kale Construction,
seconded by Alderman Brennan. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Meyers to grant a City license to Ranch House Cafe pending
fire inspection, seconded by Alderman Carter. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Meyers to grant a City license to Cargill, Inc., seconded
by Alderman Carter. Motion carried 7-0.
Park Committee minutes of August 27, 1985, were presented and reviewed.
Discussion regarding horseshoe pits at Kiwanis Park.
Neil Watts I'm with the
ago and got the approval
around it; so we went to
raised the money and got
dug the ditches, got the
Kiwanis Club. We went through this a couple of years
of the Park Board. They told us we had to put a fence
work to start raising money for a fence. We finally
donated help to get the pit in. We put the pit in,
ditches in and then we were told at that time this was
not the right and proper place for it. So we talked to 3 members of the Park
Board, and they said if the Chairman of the Park Board agreed, he would too. The
Chairman agreed and also some of the people from the City agreed that this would
be the place for it. We went ahead and poured the concrete. Then we got stopped.
Now they want us to move it to Murray Park. Our feelings are it's a Kiwanis
Park. The Kiwanis developed part of the park and we feel it should be in Kiwanis
Park. Our club does not feel it should go to Murray Park. We feel the park
is for all people. They claim it's ruining the place for kids to play. There
are plenty of places either end of the park - swing sets, slides, sand boxes,
etc., and if we get your approval there will be horseshoes. We feel the park
is used by all people, not just kids. This was their main objection. The reason
we're putting in the larger pits than what we had originally planned, is because
there is an overflow on the south side if there's a tournament. Thin w~xr
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Club says you can not pitch east and west. I'm speaking for the Kiwanis, we
would rather have it in that park as opposed to Murray Park. We have $851 invested
into this project as of this day. The reason for tbe delay is we took time to
build fence that the City asked us to put up. We have made provisions with
the City to water the park, we will maintain the park. We'll either hire a kid
to do it or some of the Horseshoe Club and make it presentable. As far as tourna-
ments, it may happen only once a year, or twice.
Lonnie Kellogg Is the Key Club helping you with this project?
Nell Watts They're helping do the labor. They did not raise any money.
Lonnie Kellogg But they're helping with the labor?
Motion by Alderman Kellogg to allow the construction of 6 horseshoe pits
in Kiwanis Park, to be fenced off, seconded by Alderman Meyers. Motion carried
6-1 with Alderman Gauthier voting, "NO."
Discussion about developing West Park which is in the County into a Girl's
Softball Complex.
Motion by Alderman Brennan to recommend approval of West Park development
for a girl's softball field, seconded by Alderman Meyers. Motion carried 7-0.
Motion by Alderman Brennan to enter into the record the Park Committee
minutes of August 27, 1985, seconded by Alderman Krug. Motion carried 7-0.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE: none
COMMENTS FROM THE ALDERMEN:
Don Meyers stated we're going down to Custer on September 10, 1985, and look
at the new dump site that the County has installed down there. We have to be
there by 7:00 p.m.
Bob Gauthier asked permission to leave the State.
Motion by Alderman Carter to grant Bob Gauthier permission to leave the
State, seconded by Alderman Krug. Motion carried 7-0.
Marvin Carter reminded the Council that similar situations are going to come up
like this with Mace tonight. As the Planning Board suggested, areas like that
should have all types and forms of housing. We do have a problem, some of those
same people that are protesting are going to be coming in with a barn burner
here, maybe in a couple of years on how to develop their land and want into the
City. I think we made a grievous mistake here tonight, but you guys voted that
way.
Rob Harris I think each situation has to be looked at Mary, as it comes up.
I don't think it's fair to really say that we made a mistake or not. I think
each situation as it comes up, whether it be this Council or any Council is going
to have to look at it and they are going to vote accordingly.
Lonnie Kellogg stated the Public Utilities Committee scheduled for September 10,
1985, has been postponed.
Larry Herman was going over the City ordinances, particularly the parking ordinances.
I would like you to consider one aspect of your parking ordinance. The problem
you have is, parking is more of a civil ~han it's a criminal nature. I would
suggest you have your Street/Alley Committee look at that aspect of it.
Ernie Davis There will be a Labor/Management meeting on September 9, 1985,
at 7:30 p.m.
MAYOR'S COMMENTS: The Mayor reminded the Council of the meeting with Asphalt
Supply on September 5, 1985, approximately 9:00 a.m.
There being no further business to
meeting was adjourned at 8:20 p.m.
come before the Council at this time, the
ona ackmann, City Clerk
Approved by the Mayor and passed by the City Council of the City of Laurel,
Montana, this 17th day of September, 1985.